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		<title>By: James Briere</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-5938</link>
		<dc:creator>James Briere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting read</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck Ponzi</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4999</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Ponzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 01:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reread this portion of my blog:
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Not that you would paint the entire generation with the same brush, but there are a number of funny things about many boomers when viewed outside of the little world they created. I once had the generational differences described to me in a management seminar (by a boomer no less) in terms related to the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator system. The instructor identified boomers as being more extroverted, sensing, or some such garbage. I honestly lost interest from that point on because it seemed fruitless to try to compartmentalize an entire generation, much less a single person. So, the irony of the situation was not lost on me. A boomer, describing to me, in boomer terms, how they were different from others. How pathogenically self-obsessed.
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It is pointless to try to compartmentalize an entire generation, there are too many exceptions.  However, it is at least interesting that boomers, not having grown up in a "PC" required environment have learned that one important distinction... generalizations are well, generalizations.

I am sure that lots of X'ers and Y'ers have lots of expectations about life, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to cry, whine, or even go bankrupt trying to achieve consumer nirvana (even though they probably will).  The comments are better suited to a commentary on human nature more than a specific generation.

It is sad that more older people are going bankrupt faster than younger people (both in numbers, and percentages) especially since their age group should be at both peak earning and wealth years.  So much for self-control.

Chuck

As a final note, it sounds like you have escaped the propensity to consume more than the average American.  You should be applauded for that.  Not being a drain on society is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reread this portion of my blog:</p>
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Not that you would paint the entire generation with the same brush, but there are a number of funny things about many boomers when viewed outside of the little world they created. I once had the generational differences described to me in a management seminar (by a boomer no less) in terms related to the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator system. The instructor identified boomers as being more extroverted, sensing, or some such garbage. I honestly lost interest from that point on because it seemed fruitless to try to compartmentalize an entire generation, much less a single person. So, the irony of the situation was not lost on me. A boomer, describing to me, in boomer terms, how they were different from others. How pathogenically self-obsessed.
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<p>It is pointless to try to compartmentalize an entire generation, there are too many exceptions.  However, it is at least interesting that boomers, not having grown up in a &#8220;PC&#8221; required environment have learned that one important distinction&#8230; generalizations are well, generalizations.</p>
<p>I am sure that lots of X&#8217;ers and Y&#8217;ers have lots of expectations about life, but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that they&#8217;re going to cry, whine, or even go bankrupt trying to achieve consumer nirvana (even though they probably will).  The comments are better suited to a commentary on human nature more than a specific generation.</p>
<p>It is sad that more older people are going bankrupt faster than younger people (both in numbers, and percentages) especially since their age group should be at both peak earning and wealth years.  So much for self-control.</p>
<p>Chuck</p>
<p>As a final note, it sounds like you have escaped the propensity to consume more than the average American.  You should be applauded for that.  Not being a drain on society is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Teri Pittman</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4983</link>
		<dc:creator>Teri Pittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boomer married to a boomer, no kids. We're living in a 24' Silver Streak, so I hope you don't expect us to downsize ;) So yes, I would say that you have generalized a bit. (The young folks I know in our area usually have three or more kids by the time they hit their mid-20s. Life is different in the country.)

I wanted to comment on the bankruptcy issue. And I'm not talking about the classic boomers with the Mcmansions you mention above. I'm talking about the average folks in their 50s. They file for bankruptcy because they are finding either low paying jobs or no jobs. Companies prefer to hire folks under 40. If you do not believe this is so, then I think you will be in for a big shock when you hit your mid 40s. For the generation before the boomers, it was not usual to start a job at high school and retire for it. I suspect that many boomers expected to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boomer married to a boomer, no kids. We&#8217;re living in a 24&#8242; Silver Streak, so I hope you don&#8217;t expect us to downsize <img src='http://www.socalbubble.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> So yes, I would say that you have generalized a bit. (The young folks I know in our area usually have three or more kids by the time they hit their mid-20s. Life is different in the country.)</p>
<p>I wanted to comment on the bankruptcy issue. And I&#8217;m not talking about the classic boomers with the Mcmansions you mention above. I&#8217;m talking about the average folks in their 50s. They file for bankruptcy because they are finding either low paying jobs or no jobs. Companies prefer to hire folks under 40. If you do not believe this is so, then I think you will be in for a big shock when you hit your mid 40s. For the generation before the boomers, it was not usual to start a job at high school and retire for it. I suspect that many boomers expected to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Housing Bubble</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4933</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Housing Bubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now many of these baby booomers will be looking to downsize their homes especially if they no longer have kids in their place.  Most will not upgrade to a McMansion so this also brings up the question of what will they do with their family homes?  Many, I would assume have a large equity position, and wouldn't mind cutting prices to unload in a declining market.  If anything, they will still make out like bandits.  This would accelerate the trend toward the downside.  

In addition, demographics are shifting.  No longer are we having 3 or 4 kids.  Most twenty and thirty somethings are planning on having one or at most two kids.  When this occurs, the turnover rate in housing should be 1 to 1.  When Social Security started, the rate was roughly one percent per worker. Now we are up to 7.65% with Social Security and Medicare...money many of us will never see in our life.

Is there a generational gap?  Absolutely.

Dr. Housing Bubble
www.doctorhousingbubble.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now many of these baby booomers will be looking to downsize their homes especially if they no longer have kids in their place.  Most will not upgrade to a McMansion so this also brings up the question of what will they do with their family homes?  Many, I would assume have a large equity position, and wouldn&#8217;t mind cutting prices to unload in a declining market.  If anything, they will still make out like bandits.  This would accelerate the trend toward the downside.  </p>
<p>In addition, demographics are shifting.  No longer are we having 3 or 4 kids.  Most twenty and thirty somethings are planning on having one or at most two kids.  When this occurs, the turnover rate in housing should be 1 to 1.  When Social Security started, the rate was roughly one percent per worker. Now we are up to 7.65% with Social Security and Medicare&#8230;money many of us will never see in our life.</p>
<p>Is there a generational gap?  Absolutely.</p>
<p>Dr. Housing Bubble<br />
<a href="http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.doctorhousingbubble.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LA Renter: you got that right!  They won't stay 700K for long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA Renter: you got that right!  They won&#8217;t stay 700K for long.</p>
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		<title>By: LA Renter</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4864</link>
		<dc:creator>LA Renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in 1973, a Gen X'R and proud of it. I also have 0 debt, three IRA's, own my car, save for important purchases and have an 815 credit score. I think that is definitely something to be proud of. I won't spend $12.00 for a beer at Dodger Stadium, and I refuse to pay 700k for a teardown in a shitty  neighborhood! Simple logic. No bail-outs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in 1973, a Gen X&#8217;R and proud of it. I also have 0 debt, three IRA&#8217;s, own my car, save for important purchases and have an 815 credit score. I think that is definitely something to be proud of. I won&#8217;t spend $12.00 for a beer at Dodger Stadium, and I refuse to pay 700k for a teardown in a shitty  neighborhood! Simple logic. No bail-outs!</p>
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		<title>By: marinite</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4861</link>
		<dc:creator>marinite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, bill AB1538.  Got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, bill AB1538.  Got it.</p>
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		<title>By: marinite</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4854</link>
		<dc:creator>marinite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would you please provide a link to the proposal to use the CA affordable housing bond to bail out the so-called "victims"?  I have failed to find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you please provide a link to the proposal to use the CA affordable housing bond to bail out the so-called &#8220;victims&#8221;?  I have failed to find it.</p>
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		<title>By: L.A. Renter</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4852</link>
		<dc:creator>L.A. Renter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should be a main story on SoCal Bubble (Chuck P) -- I'm going to call Mr. Lui's office, thanks for the heads up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should be a main story on SoCal Bubble (Chuck P) &#8212; I&#8217;m going to call Mr. Lui&#8217;s office, thanks for the heads up!</p>
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		<title>By: LAEF2</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4851</link>
		<dc:creator>LAEF2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really feel like there is some kind of over materialistic sickness to the boomers. The McMansions are a big symptom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really feel like there is some kind of over materialistic sickness to the boomers. The McMansions are a big symptom.</p>
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		<title>By: SoCalwatcher</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4849</link>
		<dc:creator>SoCalwatcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in 1975, so I am smack dab in the middle of Generation X. What I have learned is boomers are trying to out do each other. My father fell into the same trap. He is (suprise, suprise!) a Real Estate broker of 20 years. He has always been on the brink of bankruptcy and itfinally caved in on him when his two Jaguars (both leased) were repo'd. Credit cards maxed for years. Always buying new crap. Barely makes his mortgage payment. Yet, makes $150K a year. Filed for BK last year. 

Just like a bunch of his other RE cohorts. 

I literally have a higher net worth than him. I save, py my taxes and buy stuff that I can afford with my flawless credit history all the way back to age 18. How others get in so deep, I have no clue. 

All I can say is the Boomers look awfully stupid and foolish to Gen X and Y's. We are much more financially savvy and have access to endless info about finances. I still love the survey that notes Gen X's don't want the McMansions and see no need to excess space. What is gonna happen when the Boomers die off? Wooohooo!! Cheap castles!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in 1975, so I am smack dab in the middle of Generation X. What I have learned is boomers are trying to out do each other. My father fell into the same trap. He is (suprise, suprise!) a Real Estate broker of 20 years. He has always been on the brink of bankruptcy and itfinally caved in on him when his two Jaguars (both leased) were repo&#8217;d. Credit cards maxed for years. Always buying new crap. Barely makes his mortgage payment. Yet, makes $150K a year. Filed for BK last year. </p>
<p>Just like a bunch of his other RE cohorts. </p>
<p>I literally have a higher net worth than him. I save, py my taxes and buy stuff that I can afford with my flawless credit history all the way back to age 18. How others get in so deep, I have no clue. </p>
<p>All I can say is the Boomers look awfully stupid and foolish to Gen X and Y&#8217;s. We are much more financially savvy and have access to endless info about finances. I still love the survey that notes Gen X&#8217;s don&#8217;t want the McMansions and see no need to excess space. What is gonna happen when the Boomers die off? Wooohooo!! Cheap castles!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B.</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4847</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know if anyone has heard of Ted Lui, and what he’s proposing, but I thought I’d post what I found on another board. 

“TED LUI (CA assemblyman) and others on the California banking and finance committee passed a proposal Monday to use money from the Affordable Housing Bond to bail out homeowners who were “victims” of “predatory” financing and can’t make their mortgage payments. CALL Ted Lui’s office, talk to Tiffany or Mark, 916-319-2053, and call every assemblyman on the appropriations committee (that’s where it goes to a vote next), and call your local state assemblyman, tell them you don’t want your hard-earned tax dollars going to bail out buyers who overpaid and didn’t read their loan documents, tell them the affordable housing bond money was to be used for affordable housing not for bailouts, call or don’t complain when it happens!”

Here’s a response that one poster received after calling Mark…

“I gave Mark every completely rational argument I could give, not screaming or yelling, just speaking in a controlled, professional voice, against this bailout idea…all he could counter was “that’s your opinion”, “I’m sorry you feel that way”, “we’ll just have to agree to disagree so there’s no point discussing this”, and he just kept going on and on about how many people were “victims” of “predatory” lending and that was what this was trying to correct. No explanation as to how such lending was predatory, why the ADULTS who signed the loan documents were not responsible for their actions, why it is my problem as a taxpayer, nor why we should reward those alleged predators by making payments that didn’t pencil for the borrowers to begin with. I hope every one on this board calls him and every other assemblyman you have time to harrass, I mean contact.”

Sounds like a prick, but I’m going to call him tomorrow. Might not help, but it certainly won’t hurt to give this idiot a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know if anyone has heard of Ted Lui, and what he’s proposing, but I thought I’d post what I found on another board. </p>
<p>“TED LUI (CA assemblyman) and others on the California banking and finance committee passed a proposal Monday to use money from the Affordable Housing Bond to bail out homeowners who were “victims” of “predatory” financing and can’t make their mortgage payments. CALL Ted Lui’s office, talk to Tiffany or Mark, 916-319-2053, and call every assemblyman on the appropriations committee (that’s where it goes to a vote next), and call your local state assemblyman, tell them you don’t want your hard-earned tax dollars going to bail out buyers who overpaid and didn’t read their loan documents, tell them the affordable housing bond money was to be used for affordable housing not for bailouts, call or don’t complain when it happens!”</p>
<p>Here’s a response that one poster received after calling Mark…</p>
<p>“I gave Mark every completely rational argument I could give, not screaming or yelling, just speaking in a controlled, professional voice, against this bailout idea…all he could counter was “that’s your opinion”, “I’m sorry you feel that way”, “we’ll just have to agree to disagree so there’s no point discussing this”, and he just kept going on and on about how many people were “victims” of “predatory” lending and that was what this was trying to correct. No explanation as to how such lending was predatory, why the ADULTS who signed the loan documents were not responsible for their actions, why it is my problem as a taxpayer, nor why we should reward those alleged predators by making payments that didn’t pencil for the borrowers to begin with. I hope every one on this board calls him and every other assemblyman you have time to harrass, I mean contact.”</p>
<p>Sounds like a prick, but I’m going to call him tomorrow. Might not help, but it certainly won’t hurt to give this idiot a call.</p>
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		<title>By: marinite</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4846</link>
		<dc:creator>marinite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That ending still sends chills down my spine.  I was just a kid when that movie was first shown on TV; I grew up under the cloud of MAD and the Cold War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That ending still sends chills down my spine.  I was just a kid when that movie was first shown on TV; I grew up under the cloud of MAD and the Cold War.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkusArelius</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4845</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkusArelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article! 

Buy now, pay later.  What in the world could be wrong and un-American about that idea?

The U.S. dollar has never been weaker, so everyone who were dumb enough to loan our non-manufacturing,unproductive worker economy U.S. dollars years ago are really getting short-changed big time in 2007!  And our response? Loan us more money (pretty please with sugar on it)!!!  

What? You mean borrowing money won't be so cheap forever?

Aw come on!  That's not fair!  We're entitled!  Sausages! We want our sausages!

Sort of off topic regarding your last clip, but I just loved the way Charlton Heston would keep saying "Dr. Zayusss" all the time in the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! </p>
<p>Buy now, pay later.  What in the world could be wrong and un-American about that idea?</p>
<p>The U.S. dollar has never been weaker, so everyone who were dumb enough to loan our non-manufacturing,unproductive worker economy U.S. dollars years ago are really getting short-changed big time in 2007!  And our response? Loan us more money (pretty please with sugar on it)!!!  </p>
<p>What? You mean borrowing money won&#8217;t be so cheap forever?</p>
<p>Aw come on!  That&#8217;s not fair!  We&#8217;re entitled!  Sausages! We want our sausages!</p>
<p>Sort of off topic regarding your last clip, but I just loved the way Charlton Heston would keep saying &#8220;Dr. Zayusss&#8221; all the time in the film.</p>
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		<title>By: LAEF2</title>
		<link>http://www.socalbubble.com/2007/04/boomers-gone-wild.html/comment-page-1#comment-4844</link>
		<dc:creator>LAEF2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in that birth dearth that was lumped in to gen X. I guess I am heading into the prime years for my career and econ is about to tank.

Since we are surrounded by larger population grouping I get marginalized all the time.

When I went through school they were yanking funding from colleges since boomers were laid off in mass.

Now, buinesses are going to tank and pensions are going to be a big mess. I predict they marginalize the value of working hard by higher and higher tax rates.

Born at a bad time.

The boomers... the sense of entitlement is over whelming. Its disgusting. Anyhow, they made decisions to marginalize the future and will try to use their volume of votes to force solutions. It will be UGLY.

As noted before... working is more and more of a marginal benifit.

For what its worth about us genx geny types. Learning is a function of motivation, effort and information. You can go out on line and do better investment research than you get from going on autopilot with a broker/fund player anytime. if you buy a good flight simulator you can learn a hell of a lot about flying a plane or the space shuttle. Simulators have just become pretty cheap. Its a low cost way of getting information out. 

Hence usefuull and wonderfully informative blogs like this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in that birth dearth that was lumped in to gen X. I guess I am heading into the prime years for my career and econ is about to tank.</p>
<p>Since we are surrounded by larger population grouping I get marginalized all the time.</p>
<p>When I went through school they were yanking funding from colleges since boomers were laid off in mass.</p>
<p>Now, buinesses are going to tank and pensions are going to be a big mess. I predict they marginalize the value of working hard by higher and higher tax rates.</p>
<p>Born at a bad time.</p>
<p>The boomers&#8230; the sense of entitlement is over whelming. Its disgusting. Anyhow, they made decisions to marginalize the future and will try to use their volume of votes to force solutions. It will be UGLY.</p>
<p>As noted before&#8230; working is more and more of a marginal benifit.</p>
<p>For what its worth about us genx geny types. Learning is a function of motivation, effort and information. You can go out on line and do better investment research than you get from going on autopilot with a broker/fund player anytime. if you buy a good flight simulator you can learn a hell of a lot about flying a plane or the space shuttle. Simulators have just become pretty cheap. Its a low cost way of getting information out. </p>
<p>Hence usefuull and wonderfully informative blogs like this one.</p>
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