For many readers of bubble blogs, the holy grail of 2009 has been the focus on a “second dip”, or a second tsunami of foreclosures. Indeed, the dead cat bounce currently being felt and seen throughout Southern California at the present time has caused a significant amount of anxiety among bubble sitters and housing worry warts alike.
I have held firm throughout this time that 2009 is a head fake and dead cat bounce. I have staked my personal online reputation on this fact (to be honest, though, do I really have an online reputation?)
It seems, then that 2 major counter-arguments to mine have arisen. They are as follows:
1. Most of the Option Arms that were supposed to create the second wave have already been modified away or refinanced into better mortgages in the meantime, and so the Credit Suisse charts available in 2007 and 2008 are substantially changed. These no longer pose a significant threat.
2. Government intervention has resparked a housing bubble, which will never end. Through first-time homebuyer credits and ultra-low rates, the incentives to own have permanently changed. There will be no second leg down.
I’ll call your attention as a debunk to several pieces of information:
Exhibit A: Very few modifications have been made of Option Arms:
From Hussman Funds:
I’ve noted that we are facing a predictable second wave of defaults, based on a mountain of scheduled resets for Alt-A and Option-ARM mortgages, which began in recent weeks and will continue through 2010 and 2011. One of the counter-arguments against such concerns is the assertion that “the majority of these mortgages have already been modified.” Unfortunately, this assertion is not true. Certainly not for distressed mortgages, and not for pre-reset mortgages either (where there is absolutely no economic incentive to modify the mortgage before the reset date).
Moreover, the 2.7 million delinquent mortgages counted above were those that were already distressed early in the third quarter of this year. Many of these modifications are simply term extensions that reset the clock. A recent Fed study pointed out that only about 3% of delinquent mortgages have received modifications that would reduce their monthly payments in the first year. As noted a few weeks ago, “coupling state-by-state delinquency rates and foreclosure starts (as reported by the Mortgage Bankers Association) with other data, the Center for Responsible Lending [which correctly predicted, but slightly underestimated the size of the first wave of defaults] projects that for most states, foreclosure totals will more than triple over the coming 4 years, for a total of 8.1 million foreclosures.”
As for the small percentage of mortgages that receive modifications, the outlook is not very encouraging either. Several months ago, John Dugan, head of the U.S. Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, noted “over half of mortgage modifications seemed not to be working after six months.” Dugan reported that after three months, nearly 36 percent of borrowers who received restructured mortgages re-defaulted. The rate of re-default jumped to about 53 percent after six months and 58 percent after eight months.
Exhibit B; Distressing Gap:
Finance blog, Calculated Risk has much more information on the distressing Gap, but put succintly, there is a significant correlation between economic output and new housing. There is typically a correlation between resale and new housing being built. The distressing gap exists because while housing resales have been resparked by government intervention with the first time home buyer credit and ultra-low rates, this has not been a typical economic recovery which would show up in housing starts. Indeed, this appears more as a mirage of activity: helps realtors and a few FHA lenders, but leaves the economic output (and by that virtue, the attendant jobs creation) unchanged at bad.
The recent spike in existing home sales was due primarily to the first time homebuyer tax credit.
But what matters for the economy – and jobs – is new home sales, and new home sales are still very low because of huge overhang of existing home inventory and rental properties.
Second, normally a decline in inventory and the months-of-supply would be considered a positive for the existing home market, however much of the apparent recent improvement in months-of-supply is related to the artificial – and likely short lived – boost in activity.
As an aside, many have (I believe) misvalued the effect of the first time home buyer credit on houses. As a little assistance to those who only think this incentivizes people bad at math…
The $8K or $6,500 credit is actually worth more than that on a time-value of money basis. For example, $100 today is worth far more than $100 30 years from now. Not only because it can grow with interest, but because people discount future purchases with an internal value mechanism.
In my own personal estimation, I’d say that $8K today is worth about $15K on a house value, but I’d say that is pretty conservative. Consider, for example, someone who holds their house for 5 years. That means the buyer will make 60 payments. Divided by 8K, people believe they can afford about $133 more per month. That translates into about 31K additional purchasing power using a 5% rate.
In the adrenaline fueled mind of a California native where housing only goes up, that means it’s probably worth more since they only plan on holding the house 3 or 4 years, translating to more like 40K to 50K in additional value. That’s a pretty valuable incentive in my opinion.
As a final rant:
So many times I hear people talking about “the market coming back”. I think, “Seriously?”. This IS the market it never went anywhere, the prices just adjusted to what people were willing to pay. You see, the markets are ALWAYS priced at the margins. They were in the bubble years, they are now. It’s the same market, just with a different psychology. And, that’s the crux of “when it will come back.”
It’s possible that it will never come back. With the drag of offshoring, loss of US financial hegemony, fiscal problems in federal, state, and local governments, and potentially longer-term higher unemployment along with demographic shifts means that the 1980’s, 1990’s, and 2000’s until 2006 will likely NOT be repeated simply for mathematical reasons.
If ever there were a time to question whether the market will EVER come back (at least in our lifetimes), NOW WOULD BE IT!
I don’t blame speculators for trying. You can bet your money and everyone is entitled to do so, but just don’t go looking for another handout like we’re giving now if your trade goes the wrong way. Sadly, my concern is more for our moral fabric, since productive uses of capital are being put towards wagering on speculative activities, and less on maintaining our infrastructure. It is this type of short-term thinking that will leave us less able to compete in the future (as a region, state, and country)
But, please, anyone who tells you they know what is going to happen just does not understand enough to be sure (at least in 2009-2010). There are no free lunches here, and magical thinking does not work.


Goes to show, you don’t ever know
Watch each care you play, and play it slow
I’m hunkering down in the bunker for any eventuality. I don’t know whether we’re going into stagflation or depressionary deflation, but I’m pretty sure we’ll see one or the other.
I’m more diversified than I’ve ever been — across cash, gold, stocks, and lead.
Glad you’re back from hiatus, Chuck. Linked you on my blog.
Please explain this so I don’t lose my mind.
$1 Trillion Refi
“Interest rate on 30-year fixed-rate mortgage loans fell for the third consecutive week to the lowest since the week ending May 21st, while 15-year fixed rates were the lowest since our records began in 1991,” said Frank Nothaft, Freddie Mac vice president and chief economist. “Low fixed rates throughout the third quarter prompted an estimated $1.1 trillion in refinancing activity, saving homeowners about $10 billion in aggregate monthly payments over the first 12 months of their new loan. Moreover, for the fourth consecutive quarter, more than 95 percent of prime borrowers who originally had an ARM selected a conventional fixed-rate mortgage in the third quarter of this year.
The concept that $8000 is worth $30,000 of home i beyond absurd. Started following your blog gain, but not after this.
$8000 today is worth $8000 today. To suggest anything else is to make an agenda transparent.
What agenda is that?
I don’t think there is a second wave coming. That’s kind of a simple way to explain it. Your option arm’s are all mixed in. That option reset business is a bunch of garbage to. Because they have been around and sell at different times also. The only wave i see is tied to the sales of new houses. First time home buyers have the highest rate of default of any borrower.
Of course that makes sense. So does giving away credit to just about anyone to make a home sale. So the debt based banking system can rise again. The rest is fluff distracting you from how this this debt based system really works.
Of course to that isn’t really working anymore either. Only a half-wit buys in a bad economy with the possibility of job-loss. Much less one that is on the brink of disaster. Not to mention a negative equity market. See it’s what they don’t tell you.
So in October. 3 days before “Black Friday” a miracle happens. Housing sales have gone up the highest in 3 years. Oh National Association of Realtors and Macy’s it really is a wonderful life isn’t it?
Honey thats it. Lets get the credit cards and go on a shopping spree. I know it honey she replies, lets roll the dice. There’s the possibility we may wind up living in a tent. Yep he says and lets get a house from these nice people to. Little Johnny loves the woods, she mused to herself that isn’t a bad idea..
Your not trying to sell me something here are you waffle boy? Mr. Toyota lassos the moon only to find Mrs. Toyota hanging from it. It’s over with. Get real.
With the dollar getting weaker and stock prices and gold going up, home prices should follow. That said the long term will see this as a bounce… imo
Charles,
In Southern California, there is still a substantial disconnect between price, available inventory, and incomes.
The only way this temporary reprieve stays afloat is through low interest rates for a long time and a permanent first time home buyer credit. I might believe the first, but the second seems a bit of a stretch.
However, if stock prices and gold go up, interest rates will follow as capital will likely be sucked out of the fixed income markets chasing higher returns. This is, unless of course, the US government wants to subsidize home interest rates in perpetuity.
This, however brings a whole other set of problems. I think people and government will tire of all of this assistance and pork. Once non coastal America stabilizes (2010), I think it’ll be difficult to get the political will to do more.
Chuck
Check out this spin by Move.com.
“ample inventory”
“The Move.com survey found foreclosure buyers expect to profit from both deeply discounted purchase prices, as well as healthy appreciation rates over five years. Most foreclosure buyers (58.2%) expect to pay 20 percent or less than market price for a foreclosure, while 38.5 percent expect a 25 percent or greater discount. While, 73 percent expect their properties to appreciate ten percent or more in five years, 28 percent expect their purchases to appreciate 20 percent or more during that same investment horizon. According to the Federal Housing Finance Administration’s Purchase Index, homes have appreciated an average of 15 percent nationally since 2004(2).”
http://newsblaze.com/story/200.....story.html
So basically everybody is hoping and praying for another bubble and for a greater fool to show up and buy their house at another imaginary peak 5 years from now.
Rick
If this second wave is coming does that mean opportunity for purchasing distressed debt????? I am looking at alternative new investment opportunities and I have found a new resource for Distressed Debt Investing through buying pre-foreclosure notes through auction. Has anyone been engaged in this activity. One sight that I have found offers auctions on these properties, and I would like to know if anyone has used them or knows of similar websites out there targeting Distressed Debt Investing… Check out http://www.RealtyNoteBid.com and let me know your thoughts…have you used them? Do you know anyone who has? Any feedback? Do you have any other resources / info that might help in my understanding this investment channel.